Does being vegan mean zero use of anything derived from animals?
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    Thanks for your thoughtful response! There's a lot to unwind from the ethics here (for me). For example, let's say I own a sheep. The word 'own' already implies commodification to a degree. However, let's say I do everything I can to make my sheep comfortable and happy. I keep it fed, I make sure it has a lot of space to walk around, I take it for long walks, I provide it a home. Now from what I understand not shaving sheep is quite cruel, because their hair keeps growing (perhaps this is only certain species, I'm not an expert), at some point the weight of the hair becomes unbearable. Part of taking care involves shaving them periodically. Using the shavings to produce wool in this hypothetical I don't believe is unethical. But, unpicking the hypothetical a bit further does give me a little unease:

    • Is it ever ethical to 'own' any animal?
    • Animals have been domesticated since before recorded history. This has created a symbiotic relationship with humans in which the animal depends on the human for it's wellbeing.
    • To stop ownership and breeding would surely mean the extinction of certain species.(and I'm not even sure if that would be a bad thing)

    There's more food for thought from your answer. There's an aspect of anthropomorphism that I think is at play here. Are we projecting when we think about some of the ethics around this? Can we really know what an animal wants or how it feels? I believe animals signal discomfort, hurt, pain, stress, happiness, content, e.g., emotions, so, to a certain degree I believe we can. That's the reason I 100% agree with you that it's impossible to use animals as commodity ethically, i.e., commercially exploiting animals. My question was more around the hypotheticals, can we, even in the society we live in, use products that come from animals. Can we own, or rather, live together with, animals and share with each other?

    Thanks again for your answer and indulging me while I explore this topic.

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  • Are there any animal products which are not the result of exploitation or cruelty (hypothetically)? For instance, wool comes to my mind as a product that *could* be obtained in a completely animal friendly manner. Just curious what you think.

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    If the API standard is dictated by a for profit, there's always the chance that at some point it'll incorporate unfavourable features or impose limitations. To me Chrome/Chromium comes to mind, or even 'embrace, extend, extinguish'. I'm not familiar with pbllc though, it might be different, but I'm sceptical all the same.

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