[Source](https://x.com/jasonhickel/status/1840842291994374576) [Also](https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/apartment-building-beirut-hit-israel-widens-air-campaign-2024-09-29/) : > « Israel last week rejected a proposal by the U.S. and France calling for a 21-day ceasefire to give time for a diplomatic settlement that would allow displaced civilians on both sides to return home. » Please watch this 2mn video from the foreign minister of Jordan : https://x.com/LetsStopC9/status/1840635863073436150 I'm not going to try/search again to cite all the possibilities for Israel to make peace with its opponents, something could be given &/or conceded, but if we sometimes hear that the west loses its battles across the globe despite its military superiority it's because you don't win completely as long as there's still one heart in the population that hasn't been conquered, and it becomes problematic to solve if a majority of this population hates you(, you can't kill everyone). The demands made to Israel are legitimate, who cares about expanding your borders, we'll be multi[-](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Age_of_Science_Fiction)planetary one day, and perhaps that alliances will make borders meaningless before that(, e.g. with the e.u.), uniting with its neighbours isn't impossible, including Iran, Syria, Yemen, Lebanon, Iraq, ... Its opponents are opposed(, at least officially,) to very specific characteristics of Israel that aren't integral to its identity, where's the problem then, just agree with their demands. A pro-palestinian/yemeni/iranian/syrian/.. Israel that makes palestinians happy by 'living with'/helping each other would be accepted, that's only two requests. And making palestinians happy doesn't necessarily mean losing, but sharing the land, the wealth, the human rights(, not necessarily the population), and the rest. While i know it won't be easy and stay uncertain that it would go well, i dare think that it's not impossible. Heck, i'll go further, so mock/correct me if you want, but 'in a perfect world'/'with perfect humans', we would have united with the vietnamese people and with the communists worldwide, we would have embraced Germany after a WW1 that shouldn't have happened in the first place, and colonization wouldn't have threatened the nazis/fascists/.. because it'd have been an honest/altruistic help to the South and not a.n 'greedy exploitation'&'irrecoverable destruction'. Our Earth is big enough for multiple ideologies, and are all these wars, for personal/nationalist gains, karma for our lack of humanity/'mutual aid', everyone suffers in the end. The selfish preoccupied with keeping what's his doesn't even realize that he/we would be wealthier by sharing(, lands/resources/..). These eternal wars for gaining always more are senseless if we're already one(**&diverse**), and it's not just words, it has practical/real consequences. Israel could be accepted under certain legitimate conditions(, the same could be said for any country/conflict), of course the solution/compromises aren't always obvious, and the sober imperfect reality is that propaganda only exposes one side, so in the end only might makes right. In fact, it's often(, almost always now that i think about it,) the weakest that is right, at least if it's the only one ready to make concessions, while usually the strongest doesn't want to, or on an unequal footing. Israel would have already accepted a ceasefire a long time ago if its opponents were strong enough(, and that's the truth), it isn't actively seeking to make peace with its neighbours, nor even ready to make the most basic concessions in regard to its illegal settlements. I believe that the conditions/details for Israel's acceptation should be one of the main topic in discussion(, not only that everyone knows them, which isn't the case at least here in the west, but that Israel finally complies with the basic demands in order to be finally accepted, instead of greedily wanting more&more). It won't, and i don't think that they'll vote far-left anytime soon, so causes will bring their consequences.
Among other things, free market theories assume that the employee or the consumer has perfect knowledge, even if "unfortunately" s.he doesn't, let's help them then. The salaries of each employee, with their bonuses, are already known, as well as their categories. If it's displayed on a website then every employee of that category could know where to go in order to get a better pay(, yeah, i don't believe it solves the most important problems(, e.g., monopolies, surplus value, lack of democracy in the workplace, ...), but it wouldn't be worse than nowadays). If the consultation of this website is insufficient, and it will, then an annual text summarizing the result of such research for them should be sent. Similarly, for each product sold, a little screen underneath should indicate where's the cheapest same product ~50kms around. I'm sure they would be glad to realize that they can put into practice their theories(, unironically for the honest ones though).
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Yeah, and what's "funny" is they don't realize you can see China in their pictures 🙄 :
In fact, it's an(other) argument against western imperialism.
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« A total of 1,030 people — including 156 women and 87 children — have been killed in Israeli strikes in Lebanon in less than two weeks, the country’s health minister said Saturday. » (source)
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of course it's better than France since France is still colonial imperialist power and this hellhole was once SFRY
(don't know why i chuckled at your "of course", i've only spent a few days on lemmy.world and already forgot what Lemmygrad was like, quite apart from the rest of the Internet :))
I still don't entirely agree with the term fascism, even if i could see how the rhetoric about muslims in France is close to the rhetoric about jews in the past, e.g., they're destroying the fabric of society by not being french enough, and are a threat solely by their identity, an annoyance to get rid of, even an attack.
But their militarism isn't as exacerbated(, which could be explained solely by the context), the same goes for their nationalism as well(, even if they're not internationalist, and if hearing America first or France first, even at the expense of other countries, isn't uncommon), and it's always a bit worrying to hear them praise order and the restoration of authority.
They're still in favor of bourgeois democracy though, without public plans for a stronger leadership, don't openly support censorship, or express themselves as being a third way against liberalism.
They don't talk about the "french race" as inherently superior to the others with a classification of the different races in a biological way, nor put forward the virile/military strength of the male in order to save the nation.
When they talk about our past you can feel that monarchism isn't entirely dead in the heart of some of them, but damn, you can also almost even hear them talk of direct democracy sometimes(, although it may be a french exception).
But even if i personally consider the qualification fascism as an exaggeration since it can always be worse, i can see how it's similar, it's perhaps indeed more a question of quantity/intensity than quality/nature.
It's just that being pro-capitalist seems enough of a slur for me 🤷, it means legalizing theft and heading back to a feodal society(, even if technological progress may change this course towards more inequalities).
some people love China and view it in positive light
Yeah, we don't have that here, they're a dictatorship that persecute its opposition and if it falls we'll applaud this liberation. No need to explain to you why that's bullshit and revolting.
extreme racism against Roma
That's everywhere indeed, they're seen as criminals/thieves who don't want to work(, how could they without papers ?), people seeing their encampments sometimes think that it's disgusting and should go away, even if they're still allowed to stay quite a few years in the end, and it's not to the point of Ukraine for whom i've seen videos of pogroms against the Romani people(, i remember a video where they were chased in the woods), this could happen if our economic situation deteriorates.
I don't believe in national essentialism, or thinking that the poors deserve their fate(, since they don't have the same 'birth privileges'/'starting advantages',) instead of being born at the wrong place/time and just needing help as we all do... I don't know if you have this expression in Serbia to criticize the actions of our government "strong with the weak, and weak with the strong". Well, everything can always be worse, at least we've avoided the horrors of war...
Here's something i've just seen that may be indicative(, or be a wrong example i.d.k.), if you translate these comments then you'll see that most people are supporting the condemnation of two protestors that will live two whole years in a jail cell for dirtying a glass protection, absolutely zero damage was caused(, i don't know how they attained the number of 10.000£), we're not allowed to do violent protests and that's the most nonviolent i could think of, it even made a bit of publicity for this art piece. I can't understand the state but even worse it's all of these comments that i cannot understand, they're either against ecology(, why ?), or mistakenly believed that this art piece was ruined(, i doubt it), i don't know, that's the "strong against the weak" part, as for the "weak against the strong" there's private-public partnerships(, e.g., highway tolls), or the tax evasion&avoidance, etc., you're not going to hit the friends that helped you after all 🤷
It was retweeted by someone, Guillaume Meurice, who worked in one of the last public medias that we still have for more than a decade, and was fired, unbelievably, because of a segment in which he jokingly said while laughing that « In fact, Netanyahu is like Hitler, but without a foreskin », i shit you not it's for that sole reason officially and nothing else, i can't understand why a lot of people agreed that he went too far and had to be fired, in my eyes i'm convinced that he was fired for being probably (one of )the last "leftist" in our medias(, clearly not a communist propagandist/theorician mind you, we don't have that in France except on the Internet, but he's not against the idea of communism, he's for a more humane capitalism, and criticize our excesses).
Here's another example seen today, even if examples aren't as solid/serious as mentioning statistics and laws.
Well, i'll not make my review of the whole state of France(, not sure i'd be able to anyway), but here's some anecdotes as well, could be worse, could be better.
I consider myself to be much more of a theocrat than a communist, i see the latter as a consequence of the former, and if i had to choose between God and anything else then the choice is immediately done(, the most extreme would be to ask me to choose between God and what i consider to be virtuous, even if i can't imagine such situation).
I'm probably one of the only theocrat on Lemmygrad, but i don't think it's against the rules as long as i'm still communist, if you ever want to convince me that religions should disappear, i'm interested in such debate(, otherwise feel free to ignore this paragraph :)), the only thing i'm missing from reddit are those subreddits dedicated to debates(, even if it takes time).
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Thank you very much, i forgot about privatizations, and initially thought you were talking about brand new industries 100% paid by the state immediately given to foreign hands(, the steel mill factory in Silesia being built in the 70s).
But yeah, it could have brought a lot of money to the state coffers instead of the same foreign capitalist hands. Our public workers have(had) better salaries and working conditions than private ones in France, and it's strangely used as an argument against public enterprises rather than against private enterprises. We're quick to say that these better conditions means higher prices(, but higher salaries means being able to buy at higher prices anyway), yet we'll ignore that higher dividends also mean higher prices, and public enterprises usually have zero dividends as well as fewer salary gaps.
Well, in any case, that was informative, and i didn't know about the gift of japanese state-owned enterprises to the zaibatsus, thanks !
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I've quickly documented myself on the "polish economic miracle" a few years ago, but only remember that it was linked with millions of polish working in other european countries, as well as important foreign direct investments, you seem knowledgeable so perhaps could you redirect me towards some explanations for this, or take a bit of your time to explain it to me yourself ? I've also postponed the understanding for China's success, this topic of "Why do some countries become wealthy and not others" is among the most interesting possible.
Also, having never heard of Poland(, or any country for that matter,) funding 100% of a company while leaving the dividends to foreign hands, i'd like to know more about that as well if you have the time and/or a link.
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Wow, that was very informative on more than one level, i wrote answers to more than a dozen comments these past days and yours is probably my favorite, thanks !
The situation you described initially reminded me of accounts i've read from eastern europe, but then progressively i've realized that it's probably the same in other countries with the rise of the far-right everywhere and the displacement of the Overton window. In France we've pretty much sold every single public company, and Serbia is incredibly much more socialist than i first thought, you almost don't have any communists in France, our far-far-left political parties are trostkyists that are anti-Russia(, i'll still vote for them obviously, our medias wouldn't leave them alone if they supported Venezuela, Russia, etc., and don't even begin with North Korea,) and probably consider China a dictatorship, while our "socialist party" has been capitalist for decades, etc. Serbia in comparison doesn't seem worse, i've lived all my life without knowing what socialism means, you still have remnants.
Once capitalists are in power, it's not surprising for anti-communism to be on the rise, please don't blame the population too much for not taking weapons, we'll have to do counter-propaganda ideally but our funds are more meager and i could understand if it seems like a lost cause. For that matter, i don't think that a communist revolution is likely to happen in France(, where i'm from,) either, nor in the u.s.a.
I misunderstood what you meant by "there is no saving" before, i thought that you were, e.g., french or american, and deemed these countries much worse than your own, when you're in fact comparing it the inspiring Yugoslavia of Tito(, believe it or not, despite its closeness, most french people don't know him and forgot about Yugoslavia, and he would obviously be classified as a dictator for not having bourgeois democracy). I didn't realize that your criticism came from the inside, but please do not despair ! Things change, and indeed these graphs show that Serbia isn't as anti-China as you thought(, the same goes for Hungary), it's at least one reason to rejoice.
Ah, and pardon me, but your grandmother seems awesome(, do you have any idea what my family members believes in(, i'm honestly not complaining) ? Having a grandmother that likes Lenin&Stalin and even believes that V.Putin is a crypto-socialist seems awesome/unbelievable, congratulations, she's even surfing the web, and she stops when he's talking about the replacement theory ? Man, we also have whole channels and political parties that talk about this all day, my grandmother has already integrated this as a fact many years ago and believes that immigrants are the cause of crimes, not poverty(, and is also certain that crimes are on the rise, like a lot of people, even if surveys show the contrary, we're beyond being anti-communist by forgetting about it)).
(For the record, i'm not saying that being against economic immigration is immoral, but not treating the unfair causes is, because i'm picturing an hopefully false future in which we'll live centuries among richs behind our walls, while the rest of our human family lives 'exploited by'&'poorer than' us with, e.g., an inferior salary, if i'm wrong and international inequalities aren't a moral problem, or will soon disappear, then let's "save our culture from destruction" by closing our borders to these poorer/exploited guys, otherwise let's focus instead on treating the causes(, while making sure it won't bite us afterwards,) because i certainly don't want such selfish future)
B.t.w., are you financially independent with your own place ? If not, it'll get better at this moment according to my experience, some people are annoying(, but, i mean, your aunt still claim to be socialist, my family members don't even want to debate so i'm explicitly told to shut up each time(, we'll still love each other though, just that no politics or any other debate is allowed, you can imagine how watching the news while eating quickly gets challenging :))), but even if they're annoying you'll have to challenge yourself as this is the occasion to bring the best of yourself, to try small pertinent comments in a loving voice if you manage to, and take time to let them explain their worldview to you even if you already know it(, sometimes ending their sentences if it gets too long).
That's just my personal opinion, we're here to make this world a better place aren't we ? Nobody's perfect(, very clearly myself first).
I've got time, so we could be (learning from each other by) having a debate on religion and/or conspirationnism if you're in a mood for that(, debating is fun and instructive ?). But i'll totally understand if you lack the time and/or will to continue this discussion for too long.
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Well, not necessarily, it's only suspended not canceled :)
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Then please send them, i assumed that you were only talking about l.g.b.t. laws.
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This graph is not related at all, it's from 2021 and it's global investments, look at the y axis. Poland would barely be shown there as pixel.
And in the other graphs in your link you can see that US investments in Poland were less than Belgian or Swiss or Swedish
Yep, you're right about the y-axis, i've read that too quickly.
And the other graphs in the pdf seem indeed to confirm that 2023 was an exception :
I should probably research it a bit more to have a more precise point of view.
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I don't know for the other years, and couldn't easily find data to conclude, but the article writes that :
Intel, a chipmaker, picked Poland for a $4.6bn plant
That'd be 4.6bn out of the ~$7bn on the graph
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I should probably stop having clashes online, but i've nothing else to do currently.
I'd say : isolate yourself then.
On my part, i'll believe we need allies and not "left purity", let's survive first.
Also, feel free to disagree but even after ensuring the survival of the communist ideals i want a multipolar/multinodal world, i don't want a uniform communist world-state but communists, theocrats, monarchists, real/direct democrats, "anarcho"-capitalists, extreme ecologists, and many more. I.d.c. about world domination, it's not desirable, feel free to dislike these countries but i won't.
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Ah, i'm sorry but i can't wrap my head around why counting(, or not,) Russia in the foreign investments number would change something about this likelihood : if it is absent then China is still enough(, and if it is present then this likelihood would increase). Sorry for my lack of comprehension and feel free not to explain yourself further on this detail if you don't consider it important.
colour revolution based only off of this data is unlikely
While i don't see the link with Russia(, since the p.r.c. is enough in itself), i entirely agree with this quote, it can just be considered as one of the indicators of geopolitical alignment, and i felt interesting to share this ~discovery with Lemmygrad.
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no clue 🤷, perhaps a mistake ?
The article isn't more informative about this "top three countries"(, and announces a european ban on chinese electric vehicles) : https://archive.ph/69zPS, with the usual race to the bottom :
Rich countries may offer more subsidies, but CEE countries have cheaper land and labour, looser regulations and lower taxes.
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I don't understand your point and i don't see a mention of russian foreign investments in the infographic(, probably in the category "Others" ?)
(It's not related to your comment but this post also made me think of investments in Ukraine's economy to incentivize its political alignement change, closer with its past values and those of its south(, if it doesn't end up absorbed in a tri-alliance with Belarus or something else keeping the n.a.t.o. out, who knows), as well as the topic of spheres of influence)
 Source : https://x.com/scienceisstrat1/status/1839183612173812105
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(i've reached the limit of characters so i can't develop in the selftext on why Russia's invasion was more of a necessity for survival than a desire to avoid a future burden. I've also stopped documenting myself on this topic two years ago and it's not always that easy to understand the russian point of view on the western part of the Internet, but if they speak of a necessity then i trust them, they're not risking a nuclear annihilation on a whim and have warned about this for at least 20 years. If Ukraine joins the n.a.t.o. then the rest of the ex-u.s.s.r. is most likely to follow, a buffer state seems like a centuries-old demand on the russian side that they don't want to let go of, but i've no doubts that i've ignored many more arguments, and i don't see why the n.a.t.o. would "need" Ukraine for its defense or for anything else apart from getting even closer to Russia, billions of dollars well spent since 1991(&before))
To read these rules without my annoying personal additions : https://www.caitlinjohnst.one/p/15-rules-for-discussing-israeli-warmongering **Rule 1 :** Recorded history began on October 7 2023. [Maybe some things happened](https://x.com/LeftwardBound/status/1838257585901695306) before that date, but nobody can remember. **Rule 2 :** [Anything](https://x.com/DownTwist/status/1835318640108769293) bad that [Israel](https://x.com/LexiAlex/status/1837341573081878734) does is [justified](https://x.com/5149jamesli/status/1837997378982359473) by [Rule](https://x.com/Villgecrazylady/status/1837869711364596082) 1. [This](https://x.com/KenRoth/status/1832040742736277835) is [true](https://x.com/stairwayto3dom/status/1831871187594703102) even if [it](https://x.com/AbbyMartin/status/1830990229316018409) does [things](https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/9/2/palestinian-dies-an-hour-after-israel-arrested-him-from-occupied-west-bank) that [would](https://x.com/agirlcalledlina/status/1830251843789942911) be [considered](https://x.com/mhdksafa/status/1830324617250021464) completely [unjustifiable](https://x.com/muhammadshehad2/status/1830313494194885080) if it were [done](https://x.com/zei_squirrel/status/1836098209221087507) by a [nation](https://x.com/Hamza_a96/status/1836362682766598252) like [Russia](https://x.com/Remroum/status/1836210784428335471) or [Iran](https://x.com/Glenn_Diesen/status/1837145574170132857). **Rule 3 :** Israel has a right to [defend](https://x.com/richimedhurst/status/1838028205518643596) itself, but nobody else does. **Rule 4 :** Israel [never bombs civilians](https://x.com/RnaudBertrand/status/1834024974144991419), it [bombs terrorists](https://lemmygrad.ml/pictrs/image/16b9dc66-9008-4487-8f3f-6a9578eaaca4.jpeg). If shocking numbers of civilians die it’s because they were actually terrorists, or because terrorists killed them, or because a terrorist stood too close to them. If [none of those reasons apply](https://x.com/BrettMmurphy/status/1838567406035218751) then it’s for some other mysterious reason we are still waiting for the IDF to [investigate](https://x.com/prem_thakker/status/1838399598966051317). **Rule 5 :** Criticizing anything Israel does means you [hate](https://x.com/caitoz/status/1832176647438479543) Jewish people. There is [no other reason](https://x.com/caitoz/status/1831813409882714168) anyone could possibly oppose military explosives being dropped on areas packed full of [children](https://x.com/LalehKhalili/status/1837200553975087114) besides a seething, [obsessive hatred](https://x.com/ProfKFranke/status/1832173093139128656) for a small [Abrahamic faith](https://newrepublic.com/post/177993/adl-abandons-pretense-tracking-antisemitism-honestly-palestine-rallies). *[Personal addition : Or you're unpatriotic, a terrorist sympathizer, or a similar slur justifying your censorship/exclusion without considering your arguments.]* **Rule 6 :** Nothing Israel does is ever as bad as the [hateful criticisms](https://x.com/DownTwist/status/1835716020427743432) described in Rule 5. Criticism of Israel’s actions is always worse than Israel’s actions themselves, because those critics hate Jews and wish to commit another Holocaust. Preventing this must consume 100 percent of our political energy and attention. **Rule 7 :** Israel can never be the [victimizer](https://x.com/yanisvaroufakis/status/1838308757308346434), it can only [ever](https://x.com/caitoz/status/1835413928001827145) be the victim. If [Israel](https://x.com/lesvantine/status/1838256423131586900) attacks [Lebanon](https://x.com/SpiritofLenin/status/1838196107026804947), it’s [because](https://x.com/wyoumans/status/1808098093654516088) Hezbollah [attacked](https://lemmygrad.ml/pictrs/image/5dcd0934-d84c-4a78-99e5-616b54e3ad1a.jpeg) it completely unprovoked while Israel was innocently minding its own business trying to commit a little genocide in peace. *[Personal addition : The [2006 war](https://x.com/AssalRad/status/1839090767459144134) made at least 1200 Lebanese victims, mostly civilians, and 160 israelis victims, 40 civilians]* If people protest against Israel bombing entire cities into dust, then Israel is the victim because the protests made Israel’s supporters feel sad. **Rule 8 :** The fact that Israel is literally always in a state of war with its neighbors and with displaced indigenous populations must be interpreted as proof that Rule 7 is true instead of proof that Rule 7 is ridiculous nonsense. *[Personal addition of examples : "preemptive de-escalation" through war since you don't negotiate with terrorists/enemies, increase of the settlements, abandon of the peace process, ... This aggressive path is painted as necessary/'the only way' for survival.]* **Rule 9 :** [Arab lives](https://x.com/MuhammadSmiry/status/1832047391664415100) are much, much [less](https://x.com/RyanRozbiani/status/1830353688105288103) important to us than [western lives](https://x.com/MarkRuffalo/status/1832103225660731834) or [Israeli lives](https://x.com/Abu_Idreece/status/1836334764464193620). Nobody is allowed to think too hard about why this might be. *[Personal note : Western leaders who disagree should explain why they keep sending weapons to Israel, it sure seems that it's because its defense&lives are more important than those of palestinians, we're not really a human family(, yet ?)]* **Rule 10 :** The media always [tell](https://x.com/DownTwist/status/1835338648331375089) the truth *[personal addition : [without biases](https://lemmygrad.ml/pictrs/image/da97bd5e-58e1-49bc-8018-b788fc21af27.jpeg) or double standards,]* about Israel and its various conflicts. If you doubt this then you are likely in violation of Rule 5. **Rule 11 :** Unsubstantiated claims which portray Israel’s enemies in [a negative light](https://x.com/aaronjmate/status/1839038168215048325) may be [reported](https://x.com/zei_squirrel/status/1799137152724508985) *[Personal note : i haven't checked the two last two links but wouldn't be surprised of one more lie]* as factual news stories without any fact checking or qualifications, while [extensively](https://x.com/haaretzcom/status/1837065413512855603) evidenced records of Israeli criminality must be reported on with extreme skepticism and doubtful qualifiers like “Lebanon says” or “according to the Hamas-run health ministry”. This is important to do because otherwise you might get accused of being a propagandist. **Rule 12 :** Israel [must continue](https://t.me/theredstream/10667) to exist [in its current iteration](https://x.com/MichaelFakhri/status/1832874566865289426) no matter what it costs or how many people need to die. There is no need to present any logically or morally grounded reasons why this is the case. If you dispute this then you are likely in violation of Rule 5. **Rule 13 :** The [US government](https://x.com/RnaudBertrand/status/1837417568707244481) has never lied about anything ever, and is always on the right side of every [conflict](https://lemmygrad.ml/pictrs/image/30fd73d7-154d-4e80-904b-8060394220e8.jpeg). **Rule 14 :** (Americans only) Nothing that happens in the middle east is as urgent or significant as making sure the correct person wins the US presidential election. Ignore any inconvenient facts which distract you from this mission of unparalleled importance. **Rule 15 :** [Israel](https://x.com/AssalRad/status/1837167902715220108) must be protected because it is the last bastion of freedom and democracy in the middle east, no matter how many journalists it has to assassinate, no matter how many press institutions it needs to [shut down](https://x.com/nywarcrimes/status/1837866810823135630), no matter how many protests its supporters need to dismantle, no matter how much free speech it needs to eliminate, no matter how many civil rights it needs to erase, and no matter how many elections its lobbyists need to buy. ----- Yeah, feels pointless to post that, sorry Since i'm talking of double standards, let's defend myself : - If Russia allowed Ukraine to abandon neutrality and actively rejoin Russia's enemies, and be used by them, it'd include(, but not be limited to,) agreeing to make Crimea a useful n.a.t.o. base against the russian fleet, not support the pro-russian/anti-n.a.t.o. population of south Ukraine, have consequences at home and in Belarus, losing an historical last line of defense, etc. The cultural/political/military/.. consequences were deemed unacceptable(, e.g., maritime roads, antimissiles systems as well as close proximity n.a.t.o. missiles leaving less time to react, radars(, e.g. supply chains to Syria,) and spying/'intelligence services' on the ground, proximity to military/industrial centers, geopolitical&military containment, increased influence to internal separatists as well as russian citizens, certainly more...,) and it's unfair, the n.a.t.o. promised not to expand eastwards, now they even want parts of the ex-u.s.s.r.. I don't know what russians could have done to counter the n.a.t.o. expansion to their borders, but i know what the n.a.t.o. could have (not) done in order to avoid this war ; - If Israel didn't go on their killing spree, or stopped after killing twice as many palestinians as israelis were murdered, then nothing more would have happened, and they could have exchanged hostages. They could have also stopped expanding their settlements and listened to other legitimate demands, and hence launch back the peace process, that'd have been useful in order to decrease the risk of other attacks. But i don't know what palestinians can do if israelis don't even want a two-states "solution".
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it really seems to me like there is very little reason for this feud
What's your opinion, or that of any reader passing here, about the way to behave when you're attacked by the west ? Our newspapers often painted Evo Morales in a negative way despite his exemplarity, sometimes even as a dictator.
Wikipedia states that « Since 1950, Bolivia has seen the most coups of any country », isn't sacrificing Evo Morales a good thing to please the west ? Will it be enough, and will it be beneficial for Bolivia ?
With that defeatist/cautious mindset, every opposition would have fallen one after the other, only brave rebellions ended slavery, colonization, occupations, ... Fighting back seems more dangerous than submitting, but perhaps that it isn't, and the current government isn't really submitting but simply being less vocal, if sacrificing Evo could make them gain more years to develop their cultural revolution, then isn't it worth it ?
On the other side, sacrificing Stalin didn't accomplish much in the end, because the problem was that they dared to have a different ideology, and even when the u.s.s.r. and eastern europe progressively gave up on socialism, and disappeared, it still wasn't enough, because Russia was then criticized for supporting Yugoslavia, Lybia, Syria, etc., the endgoal for now is the stupid uniformity, until Russia, and the rest of the world, is aligned with western interests.
There's no talk of cooperation towards other different countries, it's about selfish competition.
Yes, it's tempting to be less vocal in your opposition, but it may also mean being less supportive of, e.g., Venezuela or Cuba, in the name of protecting your own country first.
Yes, nothing will change unless we unite together, but their/our history book is unfortunately full of martyrs that failed, should they/we avenge, e.g., Che Guevara, or learn to not make waves because they have responsabilities ?
Is this willingness of appeasing the west pointless(, whether or not it's the cause of this feud) ?
From my point of view, their indigenous movement will be next once we've destroyed more influent differences such as islamists and the last socialists, they're simply not powerful enough to be deemed a potential threat.
Yet on the other side it'd be foolish to haste a coup if it can be delayed or even avoided, and a bit naive to simply trust that the population will lead a civil war in order to get the power back.
Most countries try to stay neutral(, some by rejecting all sides and others by supporting all sides). This world sucks, nothing new, clearly nothing normal since uniformity isn't desirable.
I think that may be a reason : Evo Morales isn't supported enough by the west.
Does someone here have an opinion on the right action to take ? It's hard to blame Luis Arce if it's the main reason to act as such, but it's also a dangerous slippery slope that he shouldn't be proud of taking, once again if that's indeed the reason.
https://t.me/theredstream/10660 NOW: Evo Morales’ six-day-long march towards La Paz, Bolivia is about to enter the city. The government of Luis Arce says this is an attempted coup. We are reporting from on the ground. Pro-Evo Indigenous movements will form two additional columns to enter other access points into La Paz. Those marching are demanding the registration of Morales’ candidacy and are protesting against the deteriorating economic situation in the country. Morales’ supporters are calling for President Arce’s resignation, and Arce’s supporters are calling for the arrest of Morales. This is seen by many as the final battle in the internal faction fights within the “Movement Towards Socialism” party. All schools in La Paz are closed due to expected clashes later today. 
https://x.com/zunguzungu/status/1831095086811373825 Israelis are defending themselves from people weaker than them, so brave. It's a unilateral massacre of civilians, nothing like a war, and the result of indoctrinating israelis since their birth to f*cking hate palestinians. At least Russia's claim about n.a.t.o.'s encroaching the Black Sea and the surroundings of Moscow is more valid, and could have easily been avoided(, if we listened to their demands of a "sphere of influence"). A few millions of poor palestinians can't manage to [defend](https://lemmygrad.ml/pictrs/image/f4a04cd6-f165-43a4-977b-58cdecd0eb10.jpeg) themselves or [their territory](https://lemmygrad.ml/pictrs/image/07b2c2da-f57d-4eda-a087-9ed539cf584d.jpeg), they're not a threat justifying a ~~war~~ unilateral massacre And by creating much more palestinian terrorists/resistants than they've murdered, their security has been lowered, if "Bibi" wasn't already on this path, now any future peace plan is even more compromised, **Yigal Amir has won**. There may not be anyone right now to stop them from taking always more, but perhaps that, one day, israelis will be treated like they treated palestinians for a change. And we(sterners) will also be treated like we treated the rest of the world(, e.g., maintained in poverty/inequality, used in proxy wars, feeling our powerlessness, etc.). Or we could also evolve to avoid international domination/hegemony. (Still think that one day every nation will fragment into city-states and borders will be meaningless, for Israel as well. Or not. And that a good plan could be to change them into something closer to islam and the policies/decisions of the islamic states, perhaps)
From https://x.com/BenjaminNorton/status/1826938179225530767 In the u.s.s.r. as well b.t.w. :  From [USSR : 100 Questions and Answers](https://archive.org/details/USSR100QuestionsAnswers1986/page/n4/mode/1up) Quite a lot to say about this accusation of dictatorship, but here's one : https://x.com/BenjaminNorton/status/1826401385199665398 Or two : https://x.com/BenjaminNorton/status/1825212376083488881 Etc. It's useless to point out that we'd never have heard of these accusations if they were capitalists. And they're [supported](https://www.telesurenglish.net/chilean-electoral-observers-demand-respect-for-venezuelan-institutions) by [leftists](https://x.com/evoespueblo/status/1819724700546707777). Well, sanctions do a good job to destroy their country anyway...
Read the rest here : https://www.caitlinjohnst.one/p/harris-says-far-too-many-civilians Other sources : https://x.com/SaeedDiCaprio/status/1822312372788240644 https://x.com/stephensemler/status/1822071625941938337 Monster : https://x.com/Kahlissee/status/1822646721278595080
« Over the 16-year period since 2008, the number of years it takes for an average Chinese manufacturing worker to afford a basic plug-in EV has fallen from ~9 years to <1. This is while the technical/performance specs have increased dramatically. »  Solar : [« This year, China will add more solar power than the US’ entire installed capacity! 🔹hOw aBoUt cOaL? China will add 50GW of coal power plants this year, while adding 200GW of renewable. »](https://x.com/Kanthan2030/status/1673334293236424707)   More : [1](https://x.com/scienceisstrat1/status/1802831723820105967), [2](https://x.com/CleanPowerDave/status/1796795403536339193), [3](https://x.com/jenzhuscott/status/1795974983010623593), [4](https://lemmygrad.ml/post/2600529) Nuclear as well :  Oil :  [And everything else really](https://i.postimg.cc/0Q5TgpCd/20240809-123843.png) Even [forests](https://lemmy.ml/post/7862021) And [pollution](https://x.com/DongshengNews/status/1546585161940320257) :  [« China’s pollution levels in 2021 had fallen 42% from 2013 »](https://x.com/BenjaminNorton/status/1697184836203507771) [«If China’s contribution were disregarded, global air pollution would have increased, not declined, in the 2010s »](https://x.com/KyleTrainEmoji/status/1792270887980577212) :  Finally : [1](https://i.postimg.cc/65zwmm01/Screenshot-20240809-122236.jpg), [2](https://x.com/BenjaminNorton/status/1681326022916972551), etc. Seems like the future isn't here.
Like, openly western-backed : https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/19/world/americas/claude-joseph-haiti-stepping-down.html And here's the article : https://apnews.com/article/cnhv-cubans-haitians-nicaraguans-venezuelans-parole-border-8440fe7e468dc985fb8939ccaa1be8e8 ====== I don't expect any definitive answer, but i/we could perhaps learn a few things in this thread. Most people here already know that Kenya has been called to restore order(, and [keep](https://x.com/TheGreeneBJ/status/1574576454414860293) being [pro-west](https://x.com/BenjaminNorton/status/1709036612334821793), otherwise we'd encourage riots as usual). Last time it was [Canada](https://jacobin.com/2024/02/canada-haiti-coup-jean-bertrand-aristide), although more things probably happened since then. Of course, they're paid [less than a dollar an hour](https://x.com/joeywreck/status/1546293074581667841) and are expected to be grateful to even have a job, that opening their economy to foreign investors will bring them prosperity to all, or w/e. As far as i remember, the assassins of Jovenel Moïse were mercenaries captured in Columbia ? A dead-end apparently, weird that they managed to capture them without learning the contractor's identity, perhaps were they hired without being aware of it, i don't know much about this. It's out of topic, but damn do i keep remembering the awful tortures inflicted for YEARS to presumed masterminds of 9/11, they went to hospitals SEVERAL times because of anal bleeding and i can't imagine how much they begged to be allowed to die, we'll never know what depraved torments they had to live through, and i don't know if it's worse than the millions of people we killed, but it's so awful, i keep thinking about this and wanted to place it somewhere. Yet Julian Assange has been freed, there are also many other good news. Anyway, if you have some informations to share i'm interested.
https://x.com/ryangrim/status/1817015733907267870 How many more will have to die ?
https://x.com/bezalelsm/status/1813783725009990114 Yeah, by sovereignty, he's referring to West Bank annexation. Iran has been warning us for decades.
 From https://www.scmp.com/news/china/science/article/3263878/chinese-scientists-report-world-first-they-cure-patients-diabetes-cell-therapy In a related topic, most of us never saw chinese blockbusters https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_highest-grossing_films_in_China (, and usually not movies from other countries) But we're a democracy fighting for freedom while they're an evil dictatorship whose citizens are praying to be liberated. Also(, it's (kinda )out of topic but on my mind currently), as Zak Cope pointed out in « The wealth of (some) nations », so called "communist" western political parties aren't internationalist/humanist :  And if the last communist countries can't realistically help other countries even more than they're currently doing because it may 'weaken them'&'cause their destruction', then they only have to make public declarations that, once certain metrics are realized ensuring their long-lasting survival, then measures of wealth equality among countries will then automatically be taken, it's not hard to do better than those/westerners/nationalists who aren't even trying(, on the contrary, i'm often remembering that Thomas Jefferson tried to prevent the publication of Ricardo's *Principles* in the u.s.a.(, Reinert 1996, p. 5) ; even if 'free trade'//protectionism and the principle of infant-industries is only a part of neo-colonialism, it's good to remember that « throughout the nineteenth century and up to the 1920s, the USA was the fastest growing economy in the world, despite being the most protectionist during almost all of this period »). [edit1](https://lemmygrad.ml/pictrs/image/6933d6d5-6820-4655-8f9a-8e845211b6d3.jpeg) : « Important as tariff protection may have been in the development of most NDCs[, Newly Developed Countries, from XVIIIth-century Britain to XXth-century Korea], it was — I repeat — by no means the only, nor even necessarily the most important, policy tool used by these countries in promoting infant industries. There were many other tools, such as export subsidies, tariff rebates on inputs used for exports, conferring of monopoly rights, cartel arrangements, directed credits, investment planning, manpower planning, R&D supports and the promotion of institutions that allow public-private cooperation. ». Zak Cope talked about [colonial tribute, monopoly rent, and unequal exchange](https://lemmygrad.ml/pictrs/image/48275830-baa6-4bd2-b331-c188cf9c3244.jpeg)(, and value transfer, e.g., « For every dollar’s worth of goods exported from the Philippines in 1961, approximately five times as many hours of labour had to be invested as in a dollars worth of goods exported from Canada. »), while other authors added other factors(, as an other example, Lenin's (old )view is [famous](https://lemmygrad.ml/pictrs/image/fd1f0dc9-ce8a-4901-a5ea-2786dfe8deec.jpeg) and his 5 points were updated [here](https://lemmygrad.ml/pictrs/image/4bb5493c-1b80-48d0-9f66-dafb5d37157e.jpeg) by 8 authors starting from scratch at each chapter with their own view). Their description of the causes/consequences/context aren't incompatible, nor are Jason Hickel's arguments, or Samir Amin, nor is adding our nationalism/'lack of humanism/good-will' in the balance, etc. [edit2](https://lemmygrad.ml/pictrs/image/6f7376d2-7c75-4a42-838e-9624bd65cfb9.jpeg) : (ITT : International Trade Theory) « According to Maddison's estimate, throughout the nineteenth century the ratio of per capita income in PPP terms between the poorest NDCs (say, Japan and Finland) and the richest NDCs (say, the Netherlands and the UK) was about 2 or 4 to 1. Nowhere is this as big as the gap between today's developing and developed countries. (...) When in the late nineteenth century the USA accorded an average tariff protection of over 40 per cent to its industries, its per capita income in PPP terms was already about three quarters that of Britain ($2,599 vs. $3,511 in 1875). (...) Compared to this, the 71 per cent trade-weighted average tariff rate that India had just prior to the WTO agreement — despite the fact that its per capita income in PPP terms is only about one fifteenth that of the USA — makes the country look like a veritable champion of free trade. Following the WTO agreement, India cut its trade-weighted average tariff to 32 per cent, bringing it down to a level below which the USA's average tariff rate never sank between the end of the Civil War and the Second World War. » i.d.k. but it's at least [suspicious](https://i.ibb.co/bNSFsrh/Screenshot-20240624-054556-edit-310629363240101.jpg) And Israel can still bomb defenceless civilians under the absurd impossible goal of "destroying" anti-zionists, after oppressing them for almost a century, and **being the main/only obstacle to** (the unilateral palestinian loss of )**a two-states solution**(, along the 1967 borders obviously). It's apparently easy to switch from victim to tormentor when given the opportunity, i think that they're acting out of greed(, for more territory), not self-defense, they're not victims ; and, 3 generations later, we don't owe the current awful beings any "free pass" for the victims of ww2, nor do we owe anything to the current russians for the many soviet deaths. If they don't trust that allowing a palestinian state will ensure their safety, then they have a problem and need to find a solution, a world army is less far-fetched than overthrowing every neighbor that is still pro-palestinian, but are they even searching for a way to ensure their safety, and is it the real reason for their refusal ? A first step would be to publicly explain why they're refusing a "two-states solution" instead of assuming(, in secret like a good head of state, westerner or not,) that there's no answer to their objection, most of the world want to help them to make peace, it's not like in the case of Russia-Ukraine where the n.a.t.o. refuses to 'change their mind'/'abandon (the anti-russians/pro-western in )Ukraine'(, which would solve everything,) and nobody can 'do anything'/'force them', here there're more than one solution and it's mostly Israel that is refusing to go back to the 1967's borders among other things for reasons that can be solved if they share it with (tens of )thousands of researchers ready to debate and offer innovative/new options to solve their preoccupations/'causes of refusal'.
Source : https://apnews.com/article/us-georgia-sanctions-media-freedom-russian-law-4108e5a11cd312460a83a640490b0f5a More here : https://x.com/DecampDave/status/1798853177569423511
Here : https://x.com/NimerSultany/status/1798264979445207286 I just realized that Caitlin Johnstone also retweeted this. If you haven't read [this post](https://www.caitlinjohnst.one/p/why-i-dont-condemn-hamas-for-october) from her, then i think you should. Israel's trying to pass as the victim when every metric points to them as the tormentor, who clearly doesn't need to be so cruel, and (the current government/population )doesn't even seek/'believe in' a two-states solution, they're overthrowing&killing everything in the name of their survival(, and lying, so many lies, if this isn't the proof that they're ashamed of the truth...). I'm sure that they can't really believe that they're "fighting Hamas", and certainly should consider Hamas' revendications as legitimate since palestinians are right to ask for more than what they're currently getting, i'm certain that palestinians could end up agreeing with Israel's existence as their goodwill was proven more than once since the Oslo accords(, and before). Antisemites could embrace the challenge of converting anti-muslims living in Israel, cohabitation is clearly possible. I think Israel prefers to kill&overthrow everyone because they're afraid that even the atomic bomb won't protect them, that making peace will only give time for their enemies to gather their forces. Which is why they should support a world peace(, world army, supranational institutions, ...), as well as making sure that they're forgiven for stealing the Holy lands, and doing what they can to be integrated with their neighbours, etc. Peace isn't impossible, yet they&we(sterners) have chosen the continuation of the archaic war that never made anyone safe : https://x.com/caitoz/status/1797585791989985668  (edit : sure, it's good and all to forgive [this](https://lemmygrad.ml/pictrs/image/98b7a585-09ed-42ee-8ba8-55cc6e8cf261.png)(, and even to accept [that](https://lemmygrad.ml/pictrs/image/2ac7b8b0-83f7-44bf-82c7-06461ea7d110.png) ?), but killing innocent israelis indiscriminately isn't less awful than killing clearly [innocent](https://lemmygrad.ml/pictrs/image/4d90277f-c5b9-479f-b524-b4a7a6ba6909.png) palestinians, i'll trust the *lex talionis* to say that they're not terrorists but victims/resistants, and that this collective "punishment" is yet another stain on the name of Israel, and, more importantly, there's this unilateral loss of a two-states solution, while waiting for a day when borders wouldn't mean much anyway, a common state with jews, muslims, christians and whatnot, something perpetually better than yesterday is the goal i guess. Ukraine/'Anti-russians ukrainians' should give up on their pro-western stance because it obviously endanger n.a.t.o.'s ("strategic"🙄 )enemies(, or Russia should give up on its non-western partners), it's easier to do than giving up on a multi-millenial religion(, not that 'muslims gave'/'converting to islam would mean giving' up the jewish religion, even traditions could be kept by forming a new sect, oh well...) (And [she](https://x.com/caitoz/status/1798497208939302995)'s decidedly very [good](https://x.com/caitoz/status/1798336082922324306)
List of Audiobooks : https://dessalines.github.io/essays/audiobooks.html Youtube channel : https://www.youtube.com/@dessalines6388/videos Don't miss out on his essays : https://github.com/dessalines/essays, https://dessalines.github.io/essays It's just a little appreciation post, now you know if you didn't already (and his username quite probably comes from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean-Jacques_Dessalines) (If i'm adding a bit of stalking : he was a mod of /r/LateStageCapitalism if [i'm not mistaken](https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/guklhr/we_are_the_devs_behind_lemmy_an_open_source/), under the username /u/parentis_shotgun)
From https://x.com/RnaudBertrand/status/1793137650486096261
[Here](https://telegra.ph/Article-of-Russian-MFA-Spokeswoman-Maria-Zakharovas-for-Komsomolskaya-Pravda-03-25)'s the rest(, [source](https://t.me/MFARussia/19611)) Among other things : https://www.iranintl.com/en/202403233923 
soumerd_retardataire
lemmygrad.mlThe world is ugly.
We(sterners) have been the aggressors/'bad guys' for too many decades. We're still the main(~only) obstacle to 'world peace'/'an union of diversities'.
♪ All we are saaying... ♬(, are we even trying ? we could/should/must protect them&us)